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Posted Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:46 PM
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I have a disc brake conversion I bought some time ago and I have a question or two. I bought the set because it was advertised as being able to use stock spindles. I got the set and started looking at it and it got me to thinking there may be another way.

I have brake rotors # 5419 from car quest. I think these are monte carlo rotors. Looking at the parts there ir a bushing the shape of a T that must be heated to install on the spindle so the bearing can ride on the bushing to hold up the back of the rotor. It is obvious that the bushings were made as kits were sold for the tbird . My question does anyone know if there is a bearing that will fit into the rotor and rest on the spindle without having the bushing . Take the T and lay it on its side with top of T to the left  and that is what it looks like on the spindle. Bearing rests on the lower part of the T. If there isnt a bearing to fit can I get new rotors with a bearing that will fit without heating the parts and use the calipers I have? I just prefer to have it without the bushings . The less parts the better. Thanks

David in NC

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Posted Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:23 PM


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Bill, aka NumbersDummy over in the Y-Block forum on FTE (Ford Truck Enthusiasts) may be able to help you. He's an old parts man with many, many parts books and might be able to cross reference.

If you want to post the question with as much specific year, model, part number type info as you can, I could re-post it over there and see what he says. Or you could post over there yourself, I guess.

I would think if there were a bearing that would work, the ppl that made the kit would have used it? But then again....



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Posted Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:13 PM
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Sam, I sent NumberDummy an e-mail . Hopefully he will answer . Thanks

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Posted Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:17 PM
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Even if you do get a bearing that will fit both the spindle and the brake disk you will still have to worry about the offset of the disk in relation to the caliper location. My advise is do not try to re-invent the wheel.
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Posted Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:47 PM
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My favorite way to "research" this is to browse the parts listing at rockauto.com. The 55/56/57 spindles use an "A2" outer bearing and "A6" inner bearing - oil seal inner diameter is 1.94.

The rotor for a '68 Mustang (11.29 OD) has the same bearings and seal size - so does the '69 Country Squire. This doesn't mean those rotors will fit your aftermarket calipers and brackets - or have the proper track - or fit your wheels - but its a start.

I've seen a 55 Bird with the wagon rotors that worked very well - but I don't know the details of the brackets and calipers. They may have just swapped in the whole knuckle. A "rear steer" Ford knuckle with a "small pin" upper taper and a "large pin" lower will mount on the T-Bird ball joints.

                               Steve Metzger               Tucson, Arizona

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Posted Friday, May 09, 2008 9:54 AM
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I have been in the bearing business for 35-plus years. Believe me when I say, everyone who has ever attempted to adapt one thing to another has researched a bearing to "fit the hole". Even if we could match the needed ID & OD combination, there are considerations involving overall width of the cup and cone and fillet radii where the cone abuts the shoulder and the cup seats into the hub. Most importantly is the "new" bearing's load rating compared to what Henry originally had in mind.

My money says, either live with the spacers (perfectly acceptable) or switch to Grenada type spindles/brakes.

And that's just my 2 cents.

Brodie

Savannah, GA

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Posted Friday, May 09, 2008 1:23 PM
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I have to agree, I went the Granada route and it was easy and best of all cheap! Once I got the spindles from the wrecking yard, all other parts I bought off the shelf at Napa, same day! Only mod was having the lower ball joint mount reamed out (7 deg. taper) by a local machine shop for $20.00. Rest was a bolt on!

Rob

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Posted Friday, May 09, 2008 3:49 PM
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56 ragtop----

So I found the '78 Monte Carlo rotor you speak of - and it takes the same identical A2 & A6 bearings as the Fords - but the OD is only 10.5 and the seal ID doesn't match the seal surface of the Ford spindle. And I'd guess the center to center spacing of the bearings is narrower too.....so they fixed the two problems with a spacer that runs with the GM seal and moves the rotor over where it matches the caliper hanger. Are the rotor castings redrilled for the Ford bolt pattern? or did they just drill blanks at the 5 on 4.5 pattern?

If all they did was make a spacer to solidly hold the inner bearing a specific distance away from the big end stop of the spindle - then the only difference in operating strength is the possible narrowing of the two bearing centers. When you first wrote in - it sounded like the inner bearing was going to sit on a sleeve and carry weight - which is bad - but set on the shaft and bearing back against a spacer won't be a big deal. Just don't heat them over 300° when you warm them up to put them on.

The GM "metric" calipers that match this rotor are popular dirt track racer parts and you can get them in aluminum (to reduce unsprung weight), fancy heat resistant lining compounds, and also with big 2.75 bore pistons for more clamping force when used without power assist. One good thing to look forward to in the future - these 10.50 rotors are about 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the Ford parts ($35 for a Monte Carlo rotor). 

                               Steve Metzger               Tucson, Arizona

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Posted Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:28 AM
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I went digging through the box and found the parts list. The list has 2 '78 Granada rotors. But, they have different part numbers from the box. So. I went online looking for what I have. The 5419 shows granada rotors at Autozone. No other place has that number. Not even Napa. the '78 rotors have totally different part numbers. But rotors are 5 lug on 4 1/2" centers. Which is Ford possibly. Maybe the guy got the right part in the wrong box. I took a rotor and it fit one of my wheels so it will definitely work. The caliper parts are listed as 80 Monte Carlo. Outer bearings are 64 Galaxie. Or I should say thats what the parts list says.  Napa doesnt show the same part number as on the list thus, I have no way of knowing if these parst are the same . I will believe they are and the part numbers have changed over time. So, I am off to the basement and installing the discs. Thanks